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If someone had a bad day and wants to write about it, fine. If someone needs some kind words after a rough time, fine. Its not fine, however, to take over on others behalves, because you think you are "helping" them. They want to be left alone, leave them alone. If they really need serious help, most websites on the internet that operate like we do can not risk to offer this kind of help or take this kind of responsibility. Period.

you can use the same phone number for multiple accounts, so no. It might make it harder to set up fully automated idling farms, but for every normal user with a few storage accounts this should not be a problem, as long as they have a way to use mobile auth and trade confirmations.

Lets face it. Valve is confronted with 70K angry users each month who claim that Valve stole their items, just like we are confronted with about 200 angry users each month that claim our bots scammed them when in reality they just didnt pay attention to what the trade is telling them. The mobile auth has been added by Valve to protect themselves. If you want a change, then make useful and constructive pledges, like allowing "everyday trades" with common and not very valuable items to be exluded from escrow. You wont be successfull with your silly petitions and boycotts. After all, you are just hurting the community with that. "I won't trade anymore until Valve fixes this" will just lead to the community sites going bankrupt. Do you want that?

Discuss!

Why would it make it a bad website?

Its always funny how everyone suggesting "please make bots pay for attribute X or make them accept item Y" is always having trouble selling those items at their wishful thinking price. Why, I ask, do you not get the idea that exactly THIS may be the reason why we do not pay for X or accept Y? If nobody wants to buy that item or that attribute at your price, why should we do it?

its all on the about page

You are very well explaining why unusual banking will never work out. An unusual is exactly worth what someone else is willing to pay. There is absolutely no way to determine a price the bots would pay you. The prices on backpack.tf for unusuals always only reflect the most recent trades (if at all), Steam Market prices are not reliable for this matter. If there would be any unusual service, it would be just like any random quickbuyer on any random trade server. You would get the absolute minimum worth for your hat, so the risk of never getting a return on this unusual (since no one would be willing to pay more for it, since the prices for an unusual are ALWAYS determined when the buyer and the seller agree on a price after a very long and exhaustive discussion, often involving sweets or overpays in items. TLDR: The volume of unusual trades is not high enough to give reliable price values for specific hats. The only solution would be flat pay of, for example, 5 keys for ANY unusual. --- Edit: You classified system has been tried many times already. We once had bounties, which were constantly abused and didnt work out. Then we had auctions, which were constantly abused and then got closed. Unusual Trading is personal. It involves emotions, it involves subjectivity, tastes and interpretative "themes". No automated site could do that for you, all that would happen is the Classifieds section being overfilled with people asking for their surreal high Buyouts based on some outdated bible.tf price, with an added premium because "this hat has become rarer now, there havent been any trades for it for 8 months so it must be more expensive now".

You can do a lot of things with your user menu, like changing personal settings, including updating your data from Steam. You should check it out.

The trading card queue should be much faster now. Also we have a surprise increase of full sets up for grabs in the badge builder now.

You want the trading card banking working 100% from the start? The horror the horror! Geel will probably continue working on the bots soon! This is a disaster! *faints*

To solve your first problem: The keys you have bought from the mann co store are untradeable for a week or two. I checked your backpack... Steam applies these restrictions to everything bought from the store or community market. A new itembot has just been added. Half of the strange bots need to be emptied by its manager. Other banking services seem fine at the moment.

More accurate Steam status indicator. The "Steam online/offline" indicator at the home page is now more accurate and should indicate more often than before if there might be Steam related trouble that affects trading on Scrap.TF.... If Steam is having trouble "Steam offline", then hover over the text to see a detailed explanation of the problems. Clicking on the link will bring you to steamgaug.es, as usual, there you can see Steam's status live and in detail. So you know when you can try again. Right now with the Summer Sale heres a perfect example of the status indicator in full action mode:

Minor improvements for banking/item-selection screens. In reverse Hat banking, the useless slot filters have been replaced with "price category" filters. You can toggle between default craft hats, uncraftable hats and expensive hats (all hats that are sold for more than the normal craft hat price)Gifted Items now have a red inner shadow instead of a red background, so they shouldn't be confused with killstreaks anymore.

Banned for keeping this thread alive.

Uh, whats wrong?

http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/ https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Mann-Conomy_Update

You forgot the ultimate underdog of gamemodes, Territorial Control! This is IMO the best, most fun and most dynamic game mode on tf2! Too bad Valve and the players forgot about it and the magnificient tc_hydro... just because of some minor balancing issues which only result from players not knowing how to play this map properly.

You were once able to sell expired event keys that turn into normal keys. Unfortunately you can thank backpack.tf for creating an artificial collectors market for these expired keys by displaying their original picture instead of the regular key icon, so people started complaining about how the bots are trying to steal their "valuable" rare collectors keys. Now those keys apparently aren't accepted anymore and now all the other people (the majority who don't give a damn about the so called non existant collectors value) who happen to have one of these keys which aren't looking any different than a normal key (besides being uncraftable, but who notices this). So yeah, blame backpack.tf for creating the artificial collectors interest. Blame Valve for the way their item schema works and how they convert them into normal keys after the event if over. Blame the collectors who blindly follow anything backpack.tf tells them and who think these keys are anything special, just because they are displayed different on backpack.tf (and only there, maybe on outpost, but who cares) and who came here to complain about their valuable collector keys being "stolen" by our bots, instead of taking care of securely storing their "valuable" collection on an alt account.... like any good collector did in the past when items were at risk of expiring/disappearing upon launching TF2. The only thing you can do is make a trade on outpost or a classified listing on backpack.tf where you offer your "valuable" rare collectors key for a normal key. Hey maybe you find someone who is so sure about his investment in this artificial hot air market that he is willing to overpay you. But if you just want to get rid of it fast, just trade it 1:1 for a "normal" key, theres enough traders who think they can make a quick profit from that.... and maybe it works, as long as enough people believe the things backpack.tf does have consequences on the economy.

i think only staff and donator+ can see this.

Did you know? You can accept trade offers in your steam client, too! If you are restricted from trading in your browser just use that! http://imgur.com/a/Th4xl

facepalm

First of all Geel needs to come up with the most "popular" bot issues that are persistent for a long time already. Since they generally aren't any issue for normal trades (there are random and specific circumstances when the bots simply "forget" about a trade), but are very problematic when it comes to something where we need to keep track of an users items. Additionally, the most basic problems are still only solved by my "duct-tape" fixes, afaik Geel hasnt continued work on improving the bots for a while, since he seems to have found other interesting ideas/projects and refuses to reply to any questions regarding what to do with auctions. (Remember, it was his idea, other devs helped on the web/frontend but we cannot change the bots itself, and finally geel pushed the unfinished product to the public.)

You should get some (free?) Webspace if you want it to share with others. Setting up your own webserver is tricky and if not done right, your networks/computers security could be breached by bad people. http://www.wikihow.com/Host-Your-Own-Website-for-Free

If you want to do 1:1 hat trades, you pay with your hat for a new hat and dont need to pay 1 scrap extra. https://scrap.tf/help/kb/45