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I have a question in relation to the footrest photo because as far as I heard the footrest photo was pornographic or lewd and the person in the photo was underage at the time, if so is that not underage pornography? not gonna accuse anyone of something without full evidence ofc but if the footrest image is underage that looks pretty bad. 

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5 minutes ago, koxo said:

I have a question in relation to the footrest photo because as far as I heard the footrest photo was pornographic or lewd and the person in the photo was underage at the time, if so is that not underage pornography? not gonna accuse anyone of something without full evidence ofc but if the footrest image is underage that looks pretty bad. 

ill say this much. yes, the picture is real. no, the person in the photo was NOT underage. no, it was not intended to be lewd or pornographic in nature. it was just a joke between 2 people in a relationship(i believe) that got leaked by some asshole who wanted to start some chaos.

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This is my response to killjester's comment on his video, they cannot post here because they were banned for posting a joke raffle about the accusations. Here's a screenshot of what they asked

  • I released two screenshots of the behavior that Pillzman was banned for. They had to be censored, and I don't want to post more of them because the person being attacked does not want to be identified for their own safety. Yes Lilith is a lewd person and has been banned previously on our site for having too suggestive avatars or raffles. The reports I posted show the cases where we determined that Lilith's avatars/actions were in line with our rules. Unfortunately we don't have the specific avatars saved from the time of the reports. I don't know their full interaction with Pillzman, but his harassing behavior towards Lilith, and much worse case of it towards another user is what caused him to be banned.
  • I didn't feel we needed to take further action against Lilith because the case on Feen.us did not involve artwork showing underage characters, only that the owner of one of them (Funniezept) was underage. Lilith is a friend of mine so I trusted them to not upload art with them any longer, and they have followed my request. As for your ban, I took a look at your appeal and it seemed very one sided and accustory towards me so we did not believe it was right to unban you. If you would like to discuss your ban further you still have the option to.
  • I tried to word my initial post that I regret some lax rules about our chat system, but I am sorry that stricter rules were not in place. Our chat rules have been updated to not allow NSFW content, and we will be strictly enforcing that.
  • I think Luki has done enough to clarify his response to Kers' question. As said, lewd jokes were commonplace among friends on our chat so that's what he thought of it as. His 2nd reply to Kers' question about minors was an honest mistake in not reading what Kers wrote, and is just not true.
  • A lot of what Carbon wrote was just his opinions on the community of ScrapTF, and that's fine, you don't have to like everything that other people like. I think I covered the other points he brought up about NSFW rooms, but I wasn't aware that he was in one of them. I am able to join the #cute room that he references, but I was rarely, if ever, in it. I did look into it now, and the room was being used to post lewd anime artwork and no IRL photos. In this post I also addressed Lilith being a lewd person, but Pillz attacks against her were still wrong. Carbon also references me saying lewd comments on raffles, but I don't recall that happening and he did not provide any screenshots of it. Everything else such as Feen.us and footrest was covered in my first post.
  • I've had a bunch of people and friends bring up the footrest situation to which I've clarified it, and people were always free to ask me in private about it. We have not been banning people for asking questions about this, rather we have been banning people that use the word "footrest" in order to harass us about it. As of these pedo accusations, we also have not been banning people that are curious and ask questions about it (such as in this thread or the previous raffle). We've only banned people that use it in a way to harass us, such as posting pedophilic memes or baseless accusations. I have not attempted to slander you, maybe some other community members have tried to outside of my control. I brought up the previous or current hate group because I wanted to show the kinds of attacks I have received in the past regarding the footrest incident, and that most people who bring it up or spread it are just doing it because of other hate towards me.

I appreciate you wanting to clarify everything with me instead of just pushing this farther like some of the others have done. If you'd like to come back make sure to appeal your ban again.

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16 minutes ago, Twinkle said:

I've had a longer conversation with this user and as far as I know they're going down the list of staff, contributors, and super premiums in order to gather more information on this entire situation, whether that be with good or bad intentions. I've heard from some other community members that they were added by this user as well. As far as I know they wanted the list so that they would have a clearer overview of who to contact further.

 

I don't know how this user is related to the others who have been involved, nor what their plan is with any of this information they've gathered.

let's hope that they dont drag ppl who dont even know what the heck is going on in

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48 minutes ago, koxo said:

I have a question in relation to the footrest photo because as far as I heard the footrest photo was pornographic or lewd and the person in the photo was underage at the time, if so is that not underage pornography? not gonna accuse anyone of something without full evidence ofc but if the footrest image is underage that looks pretty bad. 

 

I am unsure of the exact date the photo was taken because I do not have it any longer. It was a consensual lewd photo that was sent to me by Luna while we were in a relationship and he was not underage.

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4 minutes ago, Jesse said:

 

I am unsure of the exact date the photo was taken because I do not have it any longer. It was a consensual lewd photo that was sent to me by Luna while we were in a relationship and he was not underage.

I have a question. Are you a guy or a girl?

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13 minutes ago, Focks27 said:

I have a question. Are you a guy or a girl?

 

I don't see how this is relevant, but I am a guy.

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Regarding the Pilzmann situation.
You didn't adress how you sent him to spy on discord servers and ban people for talking about scrap related issues.

Do you say this is false? Then why didn't you mention it?

The screenshots provided for the stalking etc. aren't really so weird that he would deserve a permanent ban.
Another screenshot you included clearly shows you (Jesse) on twitch talking to him AFTER he got banned; which yet again is insuffient evidence.
(this is an assumption, but considering how you said that you banned him does make it very likely)

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Also you did state that the person on the footrest picture was 17 and you were 19 at the time. This by definition makes you a sex offender, because you wanted lewd picture from a minor,
while being an adult. This is the law, even if you think the law is stupid, the law is the law.

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7 minutes ago, T-Killer-Cell said:

Also you did state that the person on the footrest picture was 17 and you were 19 at the time. This by definition makes you a sex offender, because you wanted lewd picture from a minor,
while being an adult. This is the law, even if you think the law is stupid, the law is the law.

Do remember Each states have different laws. Each state has different age gap laws and so on. Please do not accuse such things.

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16 minutes ago, T-Killer-Cell said:

Also you did state that the person on the footrest picture was 17 and you were 19 at the time. This by definition makes you a sex offender, because you wanted lewd picture from a minor,
while being an adult. This is the law, even if you think the law is stupid, the law is the law.

Jesse did not state this. he stated that they started their relations ship when they were 17 and 19,  he stated that it was a consensual photo and that luna was not underage at that point.

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1 hour ago, T-Killer-Cell said:

Also you did state that the person on the footrest picture was 17 and you were 19 at the time. This by definition makes you a sex offender, because you wanted lewd picture from a minor,
while being an adult. This is the law, even if you think the law is stupid, the law is the law.

As you can see from one of Jesse's previous replies, he stated that Luna was not underage when he received the picture but is unsure of the date it was taken.

If he actually is 17 in the picture then yes it would make the picture illegal but let's be real here, it wouldn't make him a pedo. They are 2 years apart in age.

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Regarding specifically the "honeypot raffle" I made: that was made to troll 4chan, and was unrelated to anything being posted here.

 

I made a raffle with the name "this is a trap" (or something similar), posted it on 4chan, and banned anyone who joined it.

 

Stupid and egotistical, I agree. But it was related to the general spam that 4channers would post on raffles in general, and had nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

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40 minutes ago, T-Killer-Cell said:

Another screenshot you included clearly shows you (Jesse) on twitch talking to him AFTER he got banned; which yet again is insuffient evidence.

Could you explain this more?

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41 minutes ago, T-Killer-Cell said:

Regarding the Pilzmann situation.
You didn't adress how you sent him to spy on discord servers and ban people for talking about scrap related issues.

Do you say this is false? Then why didn't you mention it?

The screenshots provided for the stalking etc. aren't really so weird that he would deserve a permanent ban.
Another screenshot you included clearly shows you (Jesse) on twitch talking to him AFTER he got banned; which yet again is insuffient evidence.
(this is an assumption, but considering how you said that you banned him does make it very likely)

 

I didn't address this because I didn't think it was relevant enough. I did ask Pillzman to check on a Discord server that I thought was being used for harassment and threats against ScrapTF users, and it ended up being true. We have a rule that says "Your behavior on other community sites and platforms may affect your access to our site, especially if it relates to our site or its users" because we feel the need to protect our users, even if threats and harassment is happening on other platforms. The screenshot I posted showing Pillz on Twitch does not show me, but shows someone else he was harassing at the time. We placed the ban on Pillz with the evidence we were given, and our ban appeal admin agreed with the ban and did not lift it. There are more screenshots, but I don't feel the need to drag this on further.

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10 minutes ago, Geel said:

Stupid and egotistical, I agree. But it was related to the general spam that 4channers would post on raffles in general, and had nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Yeah I would understand why you would try to find those who used /vg/ to leak raffles, but did it really have to go straight to a perma ban? Like idk a lot of people must be dedicated or be involved within the community to do what with they were doing and being instantly perma banned seems a little harsh. They should've have gotten a community ban for a couple of weeks or something a little less strict than a perma ban because now they have vendettas against the site for being biased, well I would presume I haven't talked to anyone who did get banned by that raffle

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6 minutes ago, Jesse said:

I didn't address this because I didn't think it was relevant enough. I did ask Pillzman to check on a Discord server that I thought was being used for harassment and threats against ScrapTF users, and it ended up being true. We have a rule that says "Your behavior on other community sites and platforms may affect your access to our site, especially if it relates to our site or its users" because we feel the need to protect our users, even if threats and harassment is happening on other platforms.

I'm going to have to disagree here. I will say that when I was an active raffler I was invited to [the one who must not be named]'s server and the scrap event discord. I left the scrap event discord a few months after I was in it because I did not get along with the owner at the time but I still am in the other server. Hopefully being in that discord server doesn't get me banned because I love being part of the scrap community and made some great friends on it. But, on the server I will agree to say that "homophobic" and "racist" discussions tend to pop up on our two "political channels", I have argued with [the one who must not be named] about some of the insensitive things he said, but that's his beliefs and I can't change that. But the rest of the server is just a bunch of other chill people I talk to and have fun with. Now the thing with Pillz, he's still in the server and was considered as "the rat" and I don't know why he hasn't gotten kicked from it. The screenshot you posted on your raffle, which was posted on the server for the few banned ones to see, was obviously a joke to them. It was not supposed to be a threat, but more I live nearby them kinda joke? It sounds strange when you try to put it in words but I do understand what they're getting it. I have not seen any threats against any Scraptf users on the server at all. It kinda seems like you want to antagonize the server, and pillz aswell. I'm not going to lie, you threw him under the bus but I do agree he seems to be a little clingy but it seems kind of manipulative of taking the screenshots and then leaving him alone to destroy his reputation on scrap to get banned later along. There have been no death threats or anyone who has a huge vendetta against you like you have said. I have been chatting with members of the server and none of them are acting like they hope this is scrap's demise. They instead told me that scrap "has seen worse days" and that seems kind of wholesome for those who got unfairly banned for trying to learn more about the controversy. Instead of making your community start to create a hate for a group of individuals that don't even hate the site, you should've just left it at answering the accusations. Trying to single these guys out is really fucked up thing to do, I would have never included the names of any specific individual except those who provoked the whole thing. But as the "greater hate group" has said scrap is going to be just fine at the end of the day.

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25 minutes ago, Dont Pocket Me said:

I'm going to have to disagree here. I will say that when I was an active raffler I was invited to [the one who must not be named]'s server and the scrap event discord. I left the scrap event discord a few months after I was in it because I did not get along with the owner at the time but I still am in the other server. Hopefully being in that discord server doesn't get me banned because I love being part of the scrap community and made some great friends on it. But, on the server I will agree to say that "homophobic" and "racist" discussions tend to pop up on our two "political channels", I have argued with [the one who must not be named] about some of the insensitive things he said, but that's his beliefs and I can't change that. But the rest of the server is just a bunch of other chill people I talk to and have fun with. Now the thing with Pillz, he's still in the server and was considered as "the rat" and I don't know why he hasn't gotten kicked from it. The screenshot you posted on your raffle, which was posted on the server for the few banned ones to see, was obviously a joke to them. It was not supposed to be a threat, but more I live nearby them kinda joke? It sounds strange when you try to put it in words but I do understand what they're getting it. I have not seen any threats against any Scraptf users on the server at all. It kinda seems like you want to antagonize the server, and pillz aswell. I'm not going to lie, you threw him under the bus but I do agree he seems to be a little clingy but it seems kind of manipulative of taking the screenshots and then leaving him alone to destroy his reputation on scrap to get banned later along. There have been no death threats or anyone who has a huge vendetta against you like you have said. I have been chatting with members of the server and none of them are acting like they hope this is scrap's demise. They instead told me that scrap "has seen worse days" and that seems kind of wholesome for those who got unfairly banned for trying to learn more about the controversy. Instead of making your community start to create a hate for a group of individuals that don't even hate the site, you should've just left it at answering the accusations. Trying to single these guys out is really fucked up thing to do, I would have never included the names of any specific individual except those who provoked the whole thing. But as the "greater hate group" has said scrap is going to be just fine at the end of the day.

 

Going to have to argue the contrary.  At the time the ban for that server was issued and from the limited amount of time I had been in that server (to find info on the bans), I had seen other things such as plans to have users create accounts to talk about the footrest situation (also saw it play out later in chat myself) and other plans of targeted harassment.  Also the fact that private information and photos of people in the community were pinned in different rooms of the server as well with the specific intent of making fun of and belittling said users.

 

Not everyone in the server was banned during that time from what I saw, only those who propagated the shit being talked about in there were punished, and a few of said banned people were unbanned after making an appeal.  Regardless of if the server is different now, from personal experience, I'd have to respectfully disagree with the sentiment and say that their bans were justified.

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19 minutes ago, The Predecessor said:

 

Going to have to argue the contrary.  At the time the ban for that server was issued and from the limited amount of time I had been in that server (to find info on the bans), I had seen other things such as plans to have users create accounts to talk about the footrest situation (also saw it play out later in chat myself) and other plans of targeted harassment.  Also the fact that private information and photos of people in the community were pinned in different rooms of the server as well with the specific intent of making fun of and belittling said users.

 

Not everyone in the server was banned during that time, only those who propagated the shit being talked about in there were punished, and a few of said banned people were unbanned after making an appeal.  Regardless of if the server is different now, from personal experience, I'd have to respectfully disagree with the sentiment and say that their bans were justified.

Now I'm going to have to argue the contrary. But first I'm going to agree with you when I joined there were a few individuals that were basically dickheads(not an understatement) but they have left now. The only "controversial one left" is the one who will not be named. But the point I'm trying to make isn't about the banned. I didn't even exist when the whole thing happened on scrap, but I am here now lol. But the point I'm making that it's wrong to accuse these people and basically mindlessly antagonize them for just being there. That screenshot from the server was probably two years old and it was clearly a joke, but now a bunch of people are convinced that the server is a hate group. The thing about of the scrap community is that a lot of them are kids (don't actually know just a presumption) and they are going to believe whatever Jesse says. But the truth is here I'll quote the one who shall not be named "This server is not a hate group, at the absolute worst it was a "small group of people within the server kinda pissed off at being banned unfairly years ago but have mostly let it go ever since" group". I just think it's wrong to label these people as the "villains of scrap" and that there are some mastermind evil that hate scrap. And yeah I do believe it was fair to ban him because I saw what he said and that was some really nasty stuff he said. But he shouldn't still be getting hate for what he said years ago is what I believe. Also I can't find any private information or photos leaked of anyone, no one from scrap or the server or at all. The only thing was the Rhode Island thing which they say is just a joke and there not planning to go guns blazing there any time soon.

Edit & Tldr: Also I just want to clarify because that was kinda lengthy and all over the place. Basically no one hates Jesse or think he should die as Jesse has said to prove why Pillz was "spying" for him in the first place. And the names of the people in the server should've at least been blotted out like what Jesse did correctly for the one he posted on the forum because they were just joking and don't deserve to be villains in the minds of just a bunch of kids entering raffles and having fun like I used to do years ago. It just seems a little manipulative on Jesse's part in my opinion and he should've just sticked to proving the legitimacy about the accusations instead of attacking people who can't even defend themselves anymore since most of the names he showed were ones of already banned users

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Hi, i'm here to clear some things myself and things that I have heard from others.

So, Sometime in 2018 I was a Administrator for this Discord that was open to anyone(furries/bronies alike), I had befriended two users in that server, one of those users is still active in the scrap.tf community afaik, I have not spoke or had contact with them in over a year now, but I was told and warned by them that you had done some shady stuff(no evidence was ever provided to me), and at the time while I was one of the heads of this server you happened to join that server and it caused quite a frenzy behind the scenes, they had speculated that you were there to spy on them and to make sure that nothing was being said out of context, I had contemplated with my staff team for a few hours deciding on how to handle the situation, at the time of that event my mind was in the place of the people in the server and for their safety as there were minors in the server, and I took action for what I thought was right at the time, you tried to reach out to me but I don't think I ever took the offer, I apologize for that, i'm not here to defend or go against, i'm just here to apologize for what I may have caused afterwards from that point forward, that discord no longer exists, and I have cut all ties with anyone from scrap.tf since then, hopefully this resolves an old issue, I will not be naming those who were involved.

 

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I have some problems with what I've read here.

 

  1. You have put up a curtain of "harassment hurts my feelings", "they were sexist/homophobes/muhsoggyknee/etc." numerous times, yet the topic at hand involves abuse of a minor (possibly multiple minors.) If you have nothing to hide, you should have made a thread like this earlier and provided some kind of concrete evidence the accusations were false. Instead this thread only appeared after things began to blow up, which looks like half-assed damage control, and prior to now you put up a half-assed raffle. Both of these apologies have appeared on websites you control where you can wipe, edit or ban anyone you please at any time. I'm also not seeing much in the way of evidence that proves you didn't commit these crimes, instead I'm seeing attacks on the accusers that aren't convincing. 
  2. You say there were a lot of "lewd jokes" in the Discord, while at the same time admitting there was no 18 or older disclaimer. That's really bad. Even people with no experience running or designing websites know you need that age disclaimer or there will be issues. How exactly did you fail to put up a disclaimer on the Discord, find out users were underage and then continue to discuss/share inappropriate things anyway? Were you negligent, are you lying or is your story just not entirely transparent? This doesn't add up.
  3. You, a man accused of pedophilia, host an invite-only file hosting service with a precedent for storing your friends' porn. I don't really need to explain this one further.
  4. You claim the "Jesse's Footrest" photograph is of Luna, who you claim was 18 at the time, while later admitting you began some sort of relationship when she was 16 and you were 19. The timestamp in the photo reinforces this very specific age disparity, which would make the photo (that you apparently solicited) child porn, which is illegal. We need proof that she was older than 18 at the time.
  5. The primary whistleblower on this entire debacle, LemonSaviour, was banned from Twitter within hours of dropping the various screengrabs and making these claims. That makes it seem like you (or someone associated with you) dogpiled his account to get it suspended in an effort to hide all evidence. You also continue to ban users who discuss the topic here, claiming it's "harassment" when the actual accusation is far more serious. More than that, people like Geel have targeted users of 4chan, known for anonymous posts and whistleblowing, because... he wanted to pull a prank? That's really convenient.

I get the feeling you will just delete this reply and ban me (you and Geel share that habit), but this thread is a disaster regardless. You really need to provide contrary evidence now that other individuals have provided their own evidence supporting the claims. Otherwise this comes off like shameless (but as always half-assed) damage control.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS said:

I have some problems with what I've read here.

 

  1. You have put up a curtain of "harassment hurts my feelings", "they were sexist/homophobes/muhsoggyknee/etc." numerous times, yet the topic at hand involves abuse of a minor (possibly multiple minors.) If you have nothing to hide, you should have made a thread like this earlier and provided some kind of concrete evidence the accusations were false. Instead this thread only appeared after things began to blow up, which looks like half-assed damage control, and prior to now you put up a half-assed raffle. Both of these apologies have appeared on websites you control where you can wipe, edit or ban anyone you please at any time. I'm also not seeing much in the way of evidence that proves you didn't commit these crimes, instead I'm seeing attacks on the accusers that aren't convincing. 
  2. You say there were a lot of "lewd jokes" in the Discord, while at the same time admitting there was no 18 or older disclaimer. That's really bad. Even people with no experience running or designing websites know you need that age disclaimer or there will be issues. How exactly did you fail to put up a disclaimer on the Discord, find out users were underage and then continue to discuss/share inappropriate things anyway? Were you negligent, are you lying or is your story just not entirely transparent? This doesn't add up.
  3. You, a man accused of pedophilia, host an invite-only file hosting service with a precedent for storing your friends' porn. I don't really need to explain this one further.
  4. You claim the "Jesse's Footrest" photograph is of Luna, who you claim was 18 at the time, while later admitting you began some sort of relationship when she was 16 and you were 19. The timestamp in the photo reinforces this very specific age disparity, which would make the photo (that you apparently solicited) child porn, which is illegal. We need proof that she was older than 18 at the time.
  5. The primary whistleblower on this entire debacle, LemonSaviour, was banned from Twitter within hours of dropping the various screengrabs and making these claims. That makes it seem like you (or someone associated with you) dogpiled his account to get it suspended in an effort to hide all evidence. You also continue to ban users who discuss the topic here, claiming it's "harassment" when the actual accusation is far more serious. More than that, people like Geel have targeted users of 4chan, known for anonymous posts and whistleblowing, because... he wanted to pull a prank? That's really convenient.

I get the feeling you will just delete this reply and ban me (you and Geel share that habit), but this thread is a disaster regardless. You really need to provide contrary evidence now that other individuals have provided their own evidence supporting the claims. Otherwise this comes off like shameless (but as always half-assed) damage control.

 

 

1. He's the owner and he already gets beaten on for the little things.
Sorry people have fucking emotions and can break down and cry.

This is late damage control but it's still pointing out the facts, I'm sorry he couldn't put it up sooner but he was harassed countless times.

2. Yes there are lewd jokes, staff usually won't do these but rando's will most likely. This is discord. We have moderators for people who get out of control.

3. It's a file hosting service, there was porn on Feenus but mostly of characters and not humans (sharing porn with others was a thing we used to do, okay? [Old news though Because Jesse is cutting back on NSFW content indefinitely]), and other countless of other things from screenshots to memes.

4. Luna was 17 and jesse was 19, this is a legal relationship. The photo's date is unknown.

5. I reported Lemon on my own volition. The bans are because he's fed up with all the harassment. Geel isn't the always the smartest one in the bunch (we're human we make mistakes.) and he stated he should of did it a bit better.

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